RE: Camel Mining Products
franklin gruber <botanicogruber@hotmail.com>
Victor,
I appreciate your candor in explaining to me your Life Philosophy. It
is so differrent to the American work ethic, the American dream most
everybody is wearing themselves out for. You mentioned you do not
solicite donations but you accept them, that you do not want spare
change but rather real change, meaning, I guess big bucks? Life seems
to be like a game to you, taking advantage of the philantropic nature of
good people, hell why work, when there are fools out there that you
only have to ask and they shall give you! Of these people you do have
"a gold mine" in the United States. Here in Panama and most of the
third World, its differrent, people here allow even their dogs to
starve. Nevertheless, to take the pressure off you of modern
materialistic civilization, it sure beats stealing. Yes, there is
nothing wrong with asking! You do now have something to offer, your
many experiences so this compliments your asking philosophy. In a sense
so long as you give even a smile in return you are working! I am glad
you have a system that works for you that enables you to maintain your
human value and dignity! At least in your own value system, the
materialistic World likely does not agree with your way of making a
living. You have managed to discover a way to beat the system. Try to
accumulate sufficient donations for old age when it might not be so easy
to be traveling so much. Thanks again for taking the time to explain
better your philosophy, Franklin
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From: rightprotect@hotmail.com
To: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Camel Mining Products
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:12:24 -0500
Frank,
I will tell you I try to use money as little as possible(I don't tend to want what I don't need), and when I do use it, it sure as hell isn't money I labored for. Go ahead, work for money. Waste your life away.
I am blessed with money on occasion. It's just given to me sometimes. I am in essence getting paid for the good work I am doing. I accept donations, I just don't expect them. I love surprises.
I usually don't ask for money though. Money doesn't help people. PEOPLE help people. I don't care about spare change. I want some real change.
It's funny you mentioned bus-fare. I score courtesy rides on the bus every single day. I have been for years, everywhere I go. People like helping. It's in everybody's nature.
My "alternative solution" is one that has been talked about since the time of Jesus. All you have to do is follow the rules. Ask and thou shall receive. It sure does work for me. Since when does it hurt to ask? The worst that could happen is you are told no.
"You do not have because you do not ask."
- James 4:2
If you didn't love money, why would you spend so much energy trying to accumulate it? Maybe it's because you never learned to be happy without it. So why don't you? What's taking you so long? Is it too much trouble for you? I want a valid answer, not just another excuse. It's never too late to become what you might have been.
I've been staying at this (www.blueberrypatch.org)artist's retreat in Saint Petersburg(technically Gulfport) for almost two weeks now. I am getting a ride to Miami soon. You should take the time to read my recent loggings on the journal on my website. Click on the third link labeled 'A Life Outside the Box" and navigate to 2008. I have it updated all the way to March 25. Pictures and all. Read about the adventure I had at USF in Tampa. Interesting stuff.
Being happy at the bottom puts you on top,
- Victor Antonio
From: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
To: rightprotect@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Camel Mining Products
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:28:41 -0500
No Victor I do not have a LOVE for money. The current World culture imposes this on us, but we may use it to make a transition away from it. Do not tell me you no longer use any money, not even for bus fair. Do you have an alternative solution now, can you explain it to me... Franklin
From: rightprotect@hotmail.com
To: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Camel Mining Products
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:55:50 -0500
Frank,
Slaving away for money is something I will never have an interest in doing. I hate money, remember? I see your gold idea as just another delusional get-rich-quick scheme. Certainly not the first for you. It will probably not be your last because none of your plans ever work, but yet you keep dreaming. Your love for money just supports the illusion that it's more than ink and paper and it really isn't. You are a slave to it's illusion, exactly how they want you to be. Don't fall for it. Oh wait, you already did.
- Victor Antonio
Root of all evil, haven't you heard?
From: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
To: rightprotect@hotmail.com
Subject: Camel Mining Products
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:22:31 -0500
By imputing Gold Panning Machines in Google, comes up the web page of Camel Mining Products. There you access the panning machine that fits on your back, gives the video on its operations. Gold is now over 1,000 dollars an ounce. Together we might be able to mine a pound a day near where the Canadians established an open pit mine. At this time I do not have the money to buy it but maybe in a few weeks. Only 279 US Dollars. Money may not interest you now, but its good to have this option for the future should you ever need it. Franklin
From: rightprotect@hotmail.com
To: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Very advanced philisophical views and predictions <>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:06:12 -0500
Frank,
Interesting video. I have only seen the first ten minutes, and it's already linked on my website. There are so many paths, I am just trying to be both the candle and the mirror in the illumination-role I have been cast in. Thanks for helping me educate the masses. If you have the patience to sit through these, then you should watch some of the NWO Videos on my website(http://www.havethisbook.com/nwo.htm). Start with this one(http://www.havethisbook.com/ilumovie.htm).
Peace and love,
- Victor Antonio
From: botanicogruber@hotmail.com
To: rightprotect@hotmail.com
Subject: Very advanced philisophical views and predictions <>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:14:07 -0500
Victor, received this from Wally Crawford jr. a childhood acquaintance in the area of Ocala, he too is an initiate of Guru Kirpal Singh. Info in it say that global warming is cosmic not just local, cites whats happening, the recent changes in the rest of the solar system, in about the year 2010, the ascencion this whole area of the Universe will go through, like into another dimension, please check it out and give me your feedback as I respect your opinions and views! Franklin
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:42:42 -0400
Subject: <> Very advanced philisophical views and predictions <>
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