#Gulag-2023-08-28

Session Start: Mon Aug 28 05:50:14 2023

Session Ident: #Gulag
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[05:50.19] <WiffilW> ＋https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/08/15/record-warm-gulf-louisiana-texas/，
[05:50.24] <wptmj_> hi :]
[05:50.29] <@Lard> [url] Gulf of Mexico waters are hottest on record as coastal areas cook - The Washington Post | ＋www.washingtonpost.com， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/25bpo5os， )
[05:52.12] <mgm17> the gulf water is hotter than normal... simple to understand, in south louisiana, air tems have been runnig 10 degrees warmer than avg since late June.  water temps are hotter too.  nothing hard to understand about that
[05:53.08] <mgm17> nothing hard to understand the need for greater regs on whining power companies too
[05:53.32] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: i mean, feel free to look at the historical data yourself and do a statistical analysis.
[05:53.43] <mgm17> lol....
[05:53.49] <WiffilW> MAGAts like to gaslight us and promote their alternative reality with its alternative facts
[05:54.02] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: the gulf temps are in a totally normal range
[05:54.09] <+katy_uk> Yeah. But someone on IRC says it is normal. So, you know? Who can say,
[05:54.18] <mgm17> oh thank you dear mega power one to grant such freedoms.... roflmao
[05:54.38] <mgm17> I LIVE and go to the gulf EVERY month... feel free to do the same
[05:54.56] <+chowder-pop> ＋https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/view_text_file.php?filename=42036h1994.txt.gz&dir=data/historical/stdmet/，  here's data from 1994 from a buoy right where the current hurricane is expected to pass over. oh, look, even higher temps at the same time of year as now
[05:55.30] <+chowder-pop> it's also 112NM offshore, so no influence from sediment or shallow waters
[05:55.51] <+chowder-pop> ＋https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/historical_data.shtml，  Look at all of it you want, mgm17
[05:55.52] <@Lard> [url] NDBC - Historical NDBC Data | ＋www.ndbc.noaa.gov， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/2262wpxn， )
[05:55.53] <wptmj_> our whole plane is warming, and it has nothing to do with anything we are doing
[05:55.53] <+katy_uk> ＋https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2023/08/15/gulf-mexico-is-record-hot-heres-what-that-means-hurricanes-wildlife/，
[05:55.54] <@Lard> [url] The Gulf of Mexico is record hot. Here’s what that means for hurricanes, wildlife. | ＋www.tampabay.com， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/276zo52s， )
[05:55.59] <mgm17> its the shallow waters that directs hurricans into the gulf... good grief
[05:56.06] <wptmj_> has everything to do with charging us carbon taxes
[05:56.07] <WiffilW> An unprecedented run of record heat and humidity is suffocating population centers along the Gulf Coast, tied to water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico that have climbed to the highest levels ever observed.
[05:56.11] <+chowder-pop> katy_uk: based on two buoys showing abnormal temps
[05:56.11] <mgm17> into the mouth of the mississippi
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[05:56.48] <mgm17> sheesh... how close are you to hurrican prone areas ??? hey chowder head
[05:56.54] <+chowder-pop> katy_uk: one of which wasn't even accepted as a "record" because of an abnormal sediment issue that drove temps way up
[05:57.00] <+Wout> Climate change will raise sea levels, cause apocalyptic floods and displace almost a billion people    ＋https://news.yahoo.com/climate-change-raise-sea-levels-093001965.html，
[05:57.02] <@Lard> [url] Climate change will raise sea levels, cause apocalyptic floods and displace almost a billion people | news.yahoo.com ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/27x24ddj， )
[05:57.04] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: i live in shreveport, LA. i've told you this multiple times
[05:57.11] <wptmj_> FAKE NEWS
[05:57.22] <mgm17> i don't remember crap chatters
[05:58.03] <+chowder-pop> "you're proving me wrong so you're a CRAP CHATTER!" lol
[05:58.30] <mgm17> this bs of citizens have to be captive by profiteering energy companies is pure crap
[05:58.51] <mgm17> thinking higher temps are affecting gulf temps is bs, crap
[05:58.53] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: do you think the DoE should relax regulations allowing utility companies to use existing inventories of power transformers?
[05:59.12] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: when the lead time on new manufacturing is over a year?
[05:59.55] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: and the alternative is people just going without power?
[06:00.03] <mgm17> lol
[06:00.07] <mgm17> go away...
[06:00.23] <+Debaser> But the planet is still warming
[06:00.25] <+Debaser> Regardless
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[06:01.23] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: again, you can stomp and scream and cry in front of a big brick wall, it won't turn into candy
[06:01.53] <mgm17> lol... i'm not the one gonna be stomping.... energy profiteers will throw fits
[06:02.28] <+chowder-pop> i think the people going without power are more upset
[06:02.38] <mgm17> they can stomp and scream "we're a stone"... but ppl just won't buy it
[06:02.54] <mgm17> squeeze the stones
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[06:03.20] <+chowder-pop> and die of thirst =D meanwhile, you could be doing something more productive to actually solve the problem
[06:03.26] <+Debaser> mgm17: the issue more complex than just saying "change how capitalism works"
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[06:04.35] <mgm17> egg producer profiteers thought they were gonna be able to hide their rediculous egg prices of over $6 a dozen... until the FTC started looking at price fixing... now? eggs per dozen are $1.50 doz
[06:04.46] <mgm17> govt CAN squeeze the stones
[06:04.59] <+Debaser> Eggs aren't transformers
[06:05.09] <+Debaser> Transformers aren't eggs
[06:05.56] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: chickens dont have an egg-laying lead time of years
[06:06.02] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:06.03] <mgm17> the point is being purposely missed... govt CAN and DO have regs and capitalism isn't changed by having govt regs ??? they have existed for decades
[06:06.15] <mgm17> all this 'henny penny" crap is just that
[06:06.16] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: the existing regs are contributing to the problem, though.
[06:06.43] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: do you think the DoE should relax regulations allowing utility companies to use existing inventories of power transformers when the lead time on the mandated new ones is years?
[06:07.16] <mgm17> this is a state regulating dictate for monopoly operators like utilities... wake up
[06:07.27] <+chowder-pop> that doesn't answer my question, mgm17
[06:07.31] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:07.44] <mgm17> and I have no intention of answering... its irrelevent
[06:07.53] <+chowder-pop> really? people not able to get power to their homes is irrelevant?
[06:07.54] <mgm17> not the DoE feds
[06:08.15] <mgm17> lol... purposely missing the point again... so go away
[06:08.42] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: the reality is that manufacturing the new equipment takes more than a year, and people are having to wait without power to their homes in the meantime
[06:09.10] <+chowder-pop> there are lawsuits against the DoE over it, we'll see what happens with that
[06:09.16] <mgm17> just where are ppl waiting ???? please substanciate
[06:09.28] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: holy shit you mong, I posted several articles talking about it
[06:09.31] <+chowder-pop> LOL
[06:09.42] <mgm17> new developements in greater baton rouge are NOT waiting
[06:09.49] <+NineVolt> people are waiting for transformers?
[06:09.56] <mgm17> please substanciate your claims
[06:10.03] <+Debaser> NineVolt: lead time is bonkers
[06:10.15] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: lol, scroll up
[06:10.17] <+NineVolt> lead time being bonkers doesn't imply that people are stuck waiting without power
[06:10.29] <mgm17> please substanciate... if you can
[06:10.34] <+Debaser> I mean ...
[06:10.38] <+Debaser> Okay?
[06:10.46] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: if you can't read what I've already posted, why would I be led to believe you'll read it if I post it yet again? lol
[06:10.52] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: you even commented on it
[06:10.55] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:11.02] <+Debaser> The developers are stuck unable to sell the homes without a transformer
[06:11.06] <mgm17> lol... knew you wouldn't, can't substanciate
[06:11.08] <+Debaser> To power it
[06:11.13] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: "substantiate."
[06:11.16] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:11.19] <mgm17> lol
[06:11.24] <+Debaser> Stop selling substantiate wrong please
[06:11.28] <mgm17> another irrelevent commente
[06:11.28] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: you are an absolute mongoloid
[06:11.30] <+Debaser> Spelling too ;)
[06:11.34] <mgm17> lol
[06:11.41] <+Debaser> chowder-pop: no need to use slurs
[06:12.01] <mgm17> figured that "scroll up" was crap
[06:12.25] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: So what were you commenting on when you posted this, if not the articles I posted?
[06:12.32] <+chowder-pop> <+mgm17> that stone needs to be squeezed from the overpaid ceo and other admin types to ensure citizenry is protected.  since these operators have monopoly rights, that has to carry some responsibilities too
[06:12.48] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:12.51] <mgm17> my dtr just moved into a new developement in bedroom community to b.r.... all NEWLY developed infrastructure.. and NBO WAIT
[06:13.00] <+Wout> (Bloomberg) -- Chinese stocks started Monday by surging after authorities took a raft of steps to bring investors back to one of the world’s worst-performing equity markets.
[06:13.02] <+chowder-pop> i didn't say *all* new developments were waiting, did I?
[06:13.08] <mgm17> lol
[06:13.10] <mgm17> roflmao
[06:13.17] <+NineVolt> there was a link to an article about stalled development?
[06:13.18] <+chowder-pop> read the links I posted
[06:13.20] <mgm17> like I said... just GO away
[06:13.26] <+thefed> NineVolt I have a URL to sell you.
[06:13.28] <+chowder-pop> yup NineVolt
[06:13.34] <+Debaser> NineVolt: speaking of stalled development....
[06:13.39] <+thefed> lol
[06:13.51] <+NineVolt> i'm seeing links to temperature buoys...
[06:13.59] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: further back.
[06:14.22] <+NineVolt> sea levels, hurricanes, the gulf...
[06:14.26] <+NineVolt> there
[06:14.37] <+NineVolt> 40 minutes ago, thanks :)
[06:14.49] <+chowder-pop> and look, mgm17 even commented on the subject matter =)
[06:15.02] <+chowder-pop> guess she didn't read anything that was posted before commenting
[06:15.17] <+NineVolt> this article doesn't say how many homes are affected, does it?
[06:15.48] <+NineVolt> one or more, i gather.
[06:16.09] <mgm17> figured his crap was none existant
[06:16.32] <mgm17> none of what he claims is wide spread or a major issue
[06:16.51] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: "it's not happening" "ok, it's happening enough for a major lawsuit, but it's not widespread"
[06:16.55] <+chowder-pop> lulz
[06:17.03] * mgm17 yawns
[06:17.13] <mgm17> just go away with the "henny penny" crap
[06:17.28] <+chowder-pop> ＋https://www.wyff4.com/article/power-transformer-shortage-causes-delays-in-building-new-homes/43501149，
[06:17.29] <@Lard> [url] Power transformer shortage causes delays in building new homes | ＋www.wyff4.com， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/2dq8k887， )
[06:17.45] <+Debaser> mgm17: it's a real issue, not just in America
[06:18.17] <+chowder-pop> i mean, there are tons of articles about this. feel free to look into it
[06:19.33] <+chowder-pop> ＋https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/local/home-builders-frustrated-with-transformer-shortage/69-1d910b14-1654-4ab6-b1c9-1e3956784a21， According to the Edison Electric Institute, a survey done by the American Public Power Association in the beginning of 2022 showed their members were having to wait an average of a year for a delivery of new transformers. In 2018, the wait was only about three months.  "It isn't just locally or statewide, it's
[06:19.33] <+chowder-pop> happening nationally," said John Bitely, President of Sable Homes. "So, it is a real problem."
[06:19.34] <@Lard> [url] Home builders 'stuck' as transformer shortage causes delays | wzzm13.com | ＋www.wzzm13.com， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/23wmvb6h， )
[06:19.45] <+thefed> The US produces almost no grain oriented electrical steel.
[06:20.00] <+chowder-pop> yeah, thefed, I said that an hour ago
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[06:21.11] <+NineVolt> what is grain oriented electrical steel
[06:21.26] <+thefed> ＋https://www.powermag.com/u-s-power-sector-trade-groups-flag-critical-electrical-steel-crunch/，
[06:21.27] <@Lard> [url] U.S. Power Sector Trade Groups Flag Critical Electrical Steel Crunch | ＋www.powermag.com， ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/2bbdbrxh， )
[06:21.49] <mgm17> Debaser.. i don't deny its an issue going forward, but govt regs can impose fixes... so? worry not
[06:22.22] <+NineVolt> Electrical steel is a flat-rolled silicon alloy—the silicon is added to steel to include increased resistivity, high permeability, and low hysteresis loss. It is also referred to as silicon steel, lamination steel, or transformer steel.
[06:22.32] <mgm17> bigger worry is temps of gulf waters close to land falls.. govt, NO ONE can do much about the heat wave temp climbs
[06:22.41] <+NineVolt> The most prominent categories include grain-oriented electrical steels (GOES), which is cold-rolled grain-oriented steel that typically comprises iron-silicon alloys; and non-grain-oriented electrical steel (NOES).
[06:22.54] <+NineVolt> GOES, which is specially rolled and heat-treated to yield a uniformly oriented grain for better magnetic properties, is used mainly for applications that transport and transform mechanical energy into electrical energy—primarily in transformers (where energy or core loss is critical).
[06:23.02] <+thefed> Autism hits hard in the morning I guess.
[06:23.32] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: you literally just denied it was an issue, LOL
[06:23.35] <+chowder-pop> HAHAHAHA
[06:23.40] <mgm17> govt regs can impose a stocking of extra transformers if needed
[06:24.11] <mgm17> lol... discernment of minor and major is neede by chowder head
[06:24.22] <mgm17> needed...
[06:24.28] <+NineVolt> weird.
[06:24.46] <+NineVolt> admittedly i'm not in touch with contemporary power transformer design
[06:24.47] <mgm17> chowder head is hysterical ???
[06:24.51] <mgm17> lol
[06:25.11] <+NineVolt> but i did not know steel was used to transport and transform mechanical energy into electrical energy in transformers.
[06:25.15] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: tell me how those US govt regs on power companies is going to expand foreign manufacturing already at capacity?
[06:25.21] <mgm17> no one has to be NineVolt...that is what govt regulators are for..that is what we pay taxes for
[06:25.25] <+chowder-pop> lolz
[06:25.26] <+NineVolt> indeed, i didn't know mechanical energy was relevant in this context at all.
[06:25.50] <+NineVolt> mgm17: someone has to be, otherwise govt regulators are staffed by people who don't understand what they're regulating.
[06:26.19] <mgm17> all the pontificating "its too hard" to understand put out by profiteering power companies is crap
[06:26.19] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: guess why mfg capacity for GOES isn't expanding along with global demand? *global supply chain shortages in the required products for that expansion*
[06:26.51] <+NineVolt> i'm just trying to understand what role steel plays in power transformers. does it form the conductors of the windings?
[06:26.52] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: holy christ you are fucking dumb
[06:27.01] <mgm17> NineVolt..the regulators of energy monopolies ARE supposed to be experts
[06:27.20] <mgm17> bye bye chowder head
[06:27.32] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: you keep saying that.
[06:27.33] <+NineVolt> mgm17: you said no one has to be in touch with contemporary power transformer design. it's not clear how anyone is supposed to be an expert on the topic without understanding it.
[06:28.15] <mgm17> ninevolt... no one lay person... sheesh  gm17> no one has to be NineVolt...that is what govt regulators are for..that is what we pay taxes for
[06:28.33] <+thefed> Autism at its finest
[06:28.36] <mgm17> notice i also said govt regulators ????
[06:29.01] <+NineVolt> mgm17: no one lay person is a different claim.
[06:29.13] <+NineVolt> anyway, i studied electrical engineering, so comments about lay persons aren't relevant here.
[06:29.23] <mgm17> lol
[06:29.25] <+thefed> Autism roller coaster
[06:30.14] <+NineVolt> thefed: they have medicine for that now you know
[06:30.22] <mgm17> like i said... govt regulators have the job of knowing and regulating monompoly infrastructure
[06:30.44] <+Debaser> mgm17: the government could fix a lot of things that it never does though
[06:30.59] <+Debaser> The government could build affordable housing  with rent controls
[06:31.15] <+Debaser> The government could manufacture safe heroin to avoid fentanyl overdoses
[06:31.24] <+Debaser> The government could invest in healthcare
[06:31.30] <mgm17> true Debaser... and I remember that when I'm asked for added taxes
[06:31.34] <+Debaser> The government could properly tax corporations
[06:31.35] <+NineVolt> the article thefed linked is interesting
[06:31.37] * thefed waits for nuclear
[06:31.57] <+NineVolt> "The U.S. currently depends on one domestic GOES and NOES producer—AK Steel, a subsidiary of Ohio–based Cleveland-Cliffs, the largest producer of flat-rolled steel in North America."
[06:32.00] <+Debaser> The government is building nuclear in Ontario :)
[06:32.01] <mgm17> I'm waiting for intellectual honesty here
[06:32.13] <+NineVolt> "The company has in past years grappled with sustaining profitability, in part due to years of pressure from low-cost imports of the materials. The Department of Commerce in 2018 imposed a 25% tariff on steel product imports, dramatically tamping down GOES imports."
[06:32.16] <+Debaser> mgm17: who's being intellectually dishonest?
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[06:32.18] <gannon> outraged?
[06:32.33] <mgm17> chowder head
[06:32.34] <+NineVolt> "Outside the U.S., in 2020, Commerce identified 13 GOES manufacturers: four were in China, two in Japan, and others in Germany, India, Poland, the Czech Republic, Russia, Brazil, and South Korea. However, only a limited number of manufacturers are capable of producing high-permeability GOES."
[06:32.39] <+thefed> Not really gannon, just dealing with epic levels of autism this morning
[06:33.06] <+NineVolt> so, basically, AK Steel struggles with profitability despite having a monopoly on this corner of the [unregulated] steel market?
[06:33.11] <gannon> rough
[06:33.20] <+NineVolt> are they idiots?
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[06:33.23] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: first you tell me goodbye, then you demand more of my attention? you got some mood swing issues, girl
[06:33.39] <gannon> here comes genius
[06:33.48] <mgm17> morning Cleland
[06:33.54] <Cleland> Hey!
[06:34.02] <Cleland> Gannon and a Heil to you stupid
[06:34.04] <+chowder-pop> gannon: if it isn't the triple-flusher himself
[06:34.05] <mgm17> i don't believe all the poor mouthing by industries either...
[06:34.07] <Cleland> Do you fucking read books
[06:34.18] <Cleland> Or get all your info of TMZ
[06:34.31] <+NineVolt> "Adding even more complexity to the supply chain crunch is that the DOE in December 2022 proposed new energy efficiency standards that seek to mandate amorphous steel cores for almost all distribution transformers produced or imported into the U.S. starting in 2027. Amorphous metal (AM) transformer cores comprise an alloy of iron that includes boron, silicon, and phosphorous in the form of thin foil."
[06:34.32] <gannon> i have almost 40k books bro
[06:34.34] <Cleland> Hey Gannon whats the Pop News today
[06:34.35] <Cleland> lol
[06:34.36] <Cleland> haha
[06:34.37] <gannon> in my elibrary
[06:34.37] <+NineVolt> interesting.
[06:34.42] <Cleland> You fucking imbecile
[06:34.45] <+thefed> Cleland Put on your autism boots; it's deep in here this morning.
[06:34.47] <+NineVolt> so the steel is used for cores, not windings. that makes more sense.
[06:34.48] <Cleland> Whats the last book you read BRO
[06:34.50] <Cleland> Wow
[06:35.25] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: sounds like easing one or more govt policies/regs could help the issue
[06:35.32] <gannon> Christopher Caldwell - The Age of Entitlement_ America Since the Sixties-Simon & Schuster
[06:35.33] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: at least in the short term
[06:35.36] <+NineVolt> depends on what you think "the issue" is.
[06:35.42] <+chowder-pop> doesnt help the global manufacturing capacity issue
[06:35.48] <mgm17> if domestic steel manufactures are indeed struggeling, then we need more import tarriffs
[06:35.49] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: lead times
[06:35.53] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: depleting inventories
[06:35.58] <+NineVolt> if you think "the issue" is poor efficiency in our grid, then no, easing those policies would just exacerbate it.
[06:36.11] <gannon> about to start Edward J. Larson - American Inheritance_ Liberty and Slavery in the Birth of a Nation, 1765-1795-W. W. Norton & Company (2023)
[06:36.43] <mgm17> I'm just sick of hearing all the henny-penny diaster whining by industries... to excuse their profiteering
[06:36.48] <+NineVolt> ^^
[06:36.58] <Cleland> Gannon you are my bitch
[06:37.03] <+NineVolt> AK Steel already has a monopoly.
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[06:37.07] <Cleland> My god you actually made up a book
[06:37.12] <+NineVolt> it's not clear why they're not rolling in dough right now.
[06:37.18] <Cleland> Go fucking jerk off to the Naional Enquirer
[06:37.41] <gannon> Added *!*JasonArgo
[06:37.46] <gannon> keep your mouth open bro, i have to piss
[06:37.47] <Cleland> haha
[06:37.51] <Cleland> BRO
[06:37.52] <gannon> Cleland = my toilet
[06:37.54] <Cleland> MY BRO
[06:37.55] <Cleland> lol
[06:38.05] <Cleland> ‘After he does his fake ignore he feels secure
[06:38.06] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: they publish quarterly financial reports explaining their losses
[06:38.08] <+chowder-pop> lol
[06:38.13] <mgm17> thats gannon's intellectual reading...national enquirer
[06:38.15] <+NineVolt> tariffs would make no difference in this context. there are no foreign manufacturers of high permeability GOES.
[06:38.53] <+NineVolt> chowder-pop: it sounds like their incompetence is becoming an issue for all of us. they should be nationalized.
[06:39.11] <+chowder-pop> "this shit is too complicated to understand -- just steal it."
[06:39.13] <+chowder-pop> lolz
[06:39.19] <gannon> i just listed two american history books
[06:39.21] <+NineVolt> ?
[06:39.26] <mgm17> clearly ninevolt... instead of hearing how they won't serve the needs
[06:39.28] <gannon> you people are dumber than stumps
[06:39.42] <Cleland> gannon you triggered?
[06:39.44] <Cleland> lol
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[06:40.02] <+NineVolt> not sure who you're quoting or how that's relevant to what was being discussed
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[06:40.17] <frek> look how dumb you are
[06:40.22] <Cleland> lol
[06:40.35] <+NineVolt> but anyway, if AK Steel is taking quarterly losses while having a literal monopoly on this corner of the unregulated steel market, it seems like a change in management is in order.
[06:40.42] <Cleland> lol
[06:40.45] <frek> rant
[06:40.49] <frek> didnt even read it
[06:41.17] <frek> such dumb bags of shit in this channel
[06:42.11] <gannon> frek out
[06:42.16] <gannon> Le frek, c'est chic
[06:42.29] <frek> good gimp
[06:42.34] <frek> so easily controlled
[06:43.15] <+NineVolt> frek: part
[06:43.32] <frek> good gimps
[06:43.34] <+NineVolt> meh. low quality gimp at best.
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[06:43.42] <+NineVolt> not as easily controlled as claimed.
[06:43.48] <frek> good gimp
[06:45.41] <mgm17> the concept of stocking up is universally understood... whatever the cause of depletion..that cause is irrelevent. the effect is to stock up if you know there will be a supply problem
[06:45.58] <frek> rant
[06:46.03] <frek> didnt even read it
[06:46.17] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: wait, I thought you said it wasn't a problem.
[06:46.29] <frek> loser begs loser
[06:46.37] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: then you said it wasn't a *widespread* problem. now you're saying it is, and something needs to be done about it?
[06:46.38] <+thefed> Haha
[06:46.45] <+chowder-pop> lulz
[06:47.02] <frek> loser keeps begging loser
[06:47.03] <+NineVolt> this is a weird story.
[06:47.04] <+chowder-pop> "whatever the problem is, just tax the people with more money than me!"
[06:47.15] <+NineVolt> how could a single house be waiting on one of these transformers?
[06:47.19] <frek> loser quotes loser
[06:47.31] <+NineVolt> these aren't the little ones you stick on telephone poles.
[06:47.32] <frek> another loser begs
[06:47.32] <mgm17> when you have the responsibility of getting to work, you stock up on gasoline if there is a shortage.  if you have a family to feed, and you know that bread won't be delivered as normal to your store, you stock the freezer with bread.  there is No Reason that energy companies haven't been stocking
[06:47.32] <mgm17> since the 2018 issues were written about
[06:47.36] <frek> rant
[06:47.45] <+NineVolt> these are giant multi-hundred ton transformers
[06:47.47] <frek> only the gimps will read it
[06:47.50] <Lottoman> Added *!*freck@172.
[06:47.55] <+chowder-pop> mgm17: wow, thanks for admitting it's actually a problem. XD
[06:47.59] <+NineVolt> what kind of new home construction requires something like that?!
[06:48.00] <+chowder-pop> bahahahahaha
[06:48.06] <frek> gimp announces eating my asshole
[06:48.18] <+chowder-pop> NineVolt: you can research the subject without a blow-by-blow commentary
[06:48.38] <frek> gimp begs gimp
[06:48.47] <+NineVolt> chowder-pop: that hardly seems warranted
[06:49.02] <+NineVolt> do you research subjects mentioned casually by others on irc?
[06:49.07] <+thefed> You'd think chowder-pop would be an expert on dealing with autistics at this point.
[06:49.17] <frek> you losers have no life
[06:49.20] <+chowder-pop> thefed: milk
[06:49.24] <+thefed> How long have you been coming to #gulag?
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[06:49.33] <frek> youll sit here all day eating each others assholes
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[06:49.51] <+NineVolt> in any case, that article about homeowners waiting for a transformer doesn't align with these other stories about steel shortages.
[06:49.57] <Cleland> Well rumor has it that Gulag has the highest incidence of spectrum related people on IRC
[06:50.14] <mgm17> now that I can believe
[06:50.16] <+Debaser> mgm17; it's almost like capitalism is a flawed system that prioritizes shareholders over working class people
[06:51.10] <mgm17> capitalism in a pure state hasn't existed for over 100 years... we've had redistribution of wealth since income taxes were levied in 1918
[06:51.42] <Cleland> actualy capitalism in its pure state only existed for maybe 40-50 years
[06:51.43] <mgm17> its not a black or white issue
[06:51.44] <Cleland> Before the poor houses arose
[06:51.46] <Cleland> and welfare began
[06:51.54] <Cleland> laissez faire doesn’t exist
[06:51.59] <Cleland> We live in a mixed economy
[06:52.02] <Daggett23> GOP prefer crony capitalism
[06:52.14] <Cleland> Well they do but they accuse dems of that
[06:52.30] <Cleland> WE live in a mixed economy, elements of both
[06:52.34] <Daggett23> GOP..you love it when GOVERNEMENT props up capitalism
[06:52.37] <mgm17> and its usually ppl from without the USA who can't grasp that
[06:52.54] <Cleland> You might think we have to much capitalism--but hey then again, we also had the largest middle class and the lowest poverty rates in the world
[06:53.08] <Cleland> we have such creations as the automobile, computer etc
[06:53.12] <+NineVolt> had.
[06:53.14] <Cleland> the telephone
[06:53.17] <Cleland> Shut up Dolt
[06:53.25] <Cleland> I’m giving a lecture--one you should have had in high school
[06:53.36] <+NineVolt> your lecture contradicts itself.
[06:53.40] <Cleland> the phonograph
[06:53.42] <Cleland> light bulb
[06:53.45] <Daggett23> gOP: "The US tax payer exists to bail out the rich!"
[06:53.47] <Cleland> Dolt SHUT UP
[06:53.51] <+NineVolt> you admit that our middle class is shrinking, that our poverty rate is growing.
[06:53.56] <+thefed> Cleland We even have sex toys that we can control thousands of miles away using the internet.
[06:53.59] <Cleland> YES
[06:53.59] <+NineVolt> Cleland: u mad bro?
[06:54.03] <Cleland> powered dildos
[06:54.11] <Cleland> No idiot, I’m fucking with you autistoboi
[06:54.18] <Cleland> Dolt you really are feeble
[06:54.21] <+thefed> autistoboi
[06:54.30] <+thefed> I like the autist + o part.
[06:54.33] <+NineVolt> Cleland: aight all caps bro.
[06:54.35] <Cleland> Spectrum Meeting later
[06:54.42] <Cleland> I’m gonna do group therapy on the boys
[06:54.50] <Cleland> all caps
[06:54.57] <Cleland> STFU
[06:55.10] <+NineVolt> Cleland: glad to hear you're not mad.
[06:55.16] <Cleland> Now STFU
[06:55.18] <Cleland> and let me continue
[06:55.21] <+NineVolt> Cleland: what's that?
[06:55.29] <Cleland> So communism really has done little to further our advancement
[06:55.42] <Cleland> And is responsible for mass murdering on an epic proportin
[06:55.53] <Cleland> Communism is somtthing INcels and Autistics want
[06:55.56] <+NineVolt> citation needed.
[06:56.00] <Cleland> Cause they can’t leave home and find work
[06:56.06] <Cleland> Carry on
[06:56.08] <+thefed> autista and autisto, the tale of two neurodivergent
[06:56.13] <+thefed> s
[06:56.26] <Cleland> lol
[06:56.28] <+NineVolt> you guys sure are interested in autism.
[06:56.41] <+NineVolt> i see you talking about it all the time.
[06:56.46] <Cleland> emmm
[06:56.56] <+NineVolt> mmmm...
[06:57.48] <+seeker> mmmmmm... brownies
[06:57.57] <+NineVolt> Debaser is admittedly the one who talks about it the most, but Cleland is up there too.
[06:58.54] <+thefed> There are more things in heaven and Earth, Autisto, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
[06:59.18] <Cleland> NineDolt is now officially AutistoBoi the II
[06:59.38] <+Debaser> I am?
[06:59.38] <+NineVolt> i'm impressed.
[06:59.45] <+NineVolt> Debaser: indeed, you are, sorry.
[06:59.56] <+Debaser> Do you have the mathematical analysis to back your statement?
[07:00.30] <+NineVolt> in the last 5 years, you said "autism" in this channel 30 times, more than anyone else. smirks has 22, gannon 21, etc.
[07:00.40] <+Debaser> Well there you go
[07:00.47] <+Debaser> 30 whole times!
[07:00.47] <Cleland> I”m innocent@
[07:00.50] <Cleland> Wow, thats a relief
[07:00.54] <+NineVolt> autistic 56 times to cleland's 52, etc.
[07:00.57] <Cleland> and 5 years 30 times is nothing
[07:01.05] <Cleland> Now he is making up shit cause he is Autistic
[07:01.10] <Cleland> that happens
[07:01.14] <+NineVolt> making up shit?
[07:01.19] <Cleland> calm down boi
[07:01.24] <Cleland> I’m gonna work with you
[07:01.27] <+Debaser> [09:49] (+NineVolt) in any case, that article about homeowners waiting for a transformer doesn't align with these other stories about steel shortages.
[07:01.31] <+NineVolt> you can confirm for yourself at ＋https://kibana.customisc.com/，
[07:01.32] <@Lard> [url] Elastic | kibana.customisc.com ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/2yvtr5ja， )
[07:01.34] <+NineVolt> undernet/undernet
[07:01.35] <+Debaser> Im confused by this
[07:01.40] <Cleland> lol
[07:01.47] <Cleland> WTF does that mean
[07:01.48] <+thefed> The undisputed king of audible intrapersonal communication.
[07:01.49] <Cleland> My god
[07:01.56] <Cleland> He just proved my claim
[07:02.16] <+NineVolt> Debaser: okay?
[07:03.01] <+Debaser> NineVolt: aren't the steel shortages causing the long lead times for transformers to be manufactured
[07:03.27] <+NineVolt> Debaser: yes. multi-hundred ton transformers which are not applicable to residential construction.
[07:03.43] <+NineVolt> things you'd find at power plants and electrical substations.
[07:04.14] <+Debaser> Hm, well that's not my experience
[07:04.19] <+Debaser> But I didn't read the article
[07:04.32] <+Debaser> I know there's long lead times for small padmounts etc
[07:04.55] <+Debaser> I don't know if it's the steel shortage
[07:05.37] <+Debaser> But thanks for clarifying
[07:06.07] <+Debaser> Presumably those large Tx's would sit upstream of some new development
[07:06.12] <+Debaser> In some cases
[07:06.49] <Forbin> ＋https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHi_xvrvUm8，
[07:06.49] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨I Have a Dream speech by Martin Luther King .Jr | 1080P HD | MASTERED⁩ | 7m 9s | ⁨APJ ABDUL KALAM⁩ | 31,441 views
[07:06.52] <Forbin> 60 years ago today
[07:07.01] <wptmj_> what a sperg
[07:07.29] * NineVolt spergs all over #gulag
[07:07.37] <wptmj_> haha hi bro
[07:08.03] <wptmj_> yo, i found the funniest story yesterday
[07:08.13] <wptmj_> speaking of sperging
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[07:08.49] <+Debaser> ＋https://elscotransformers.com/blog/average-lead-times-of-dry-type-transformers/，
[07:08.51] <@Lard> [url] Average Lead Times of Dry Type Transformers in 2023 | ELSCO | elscotransformers.com ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/27e2lehf， )
[07:08.59] <wptmj_> its called Infinite Cum
[07:09.05] <+Debaser> This mentions transformers much smaller than "multi hundred ton"
[07:10.04] <+Debaser> ＋https://reddit.com/r/AskEngineers/s/fnIjGjyDD8，
[07:10.05] <@Lard> [url] Reddit - Dive into anything | reddit.com ( ＋https://tinyurl.com/286btyhz， )
[07:10.08] <+Debaser> As does this post
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[07:10.18] <+NineVolt> i made no claims about lead times on smaller transformers
[07:10.43] <+NineVolt> i just said that the article about a single home waiting on power due to a transformer shortage has little to do with the the issue of silicon steel shortages
[07:11.16] <+NineVolt> nor the transformer regulations which mandate increased efficiency (and more stringent core steel criteria)
[07:11.39] <+NineVolt> because that only applies to larger transformers.
[07:11.44] <+Debaser> Right
[07:11.50] <+Debaser> I didn't read the article
[07:11.59] <+Debaser> I just know the lead times are long I general
[07:12.38] <wptmj_> Do you guys remember that chiropractor joke I posted about a weak back?
[07:14.31] <+Debaser> Just referring to that one article, sure, I see your point NineVolt. Reading some of those comments it doesn't seem like its steel shortages holding up smaller transformers
[07:14.37] <+Debaser> Just general supply chain issues
[07:14.41] <+thefed> wptmj and his spineless humor
[07:15.45] <+NineVolt> there's a lot of profiteering going on in the economy right now.
[07:15.48] <Cleland> lo
[07:15.57] <Cleland> speaking of autistics--good morning Jokeboi
[07:15.58] <+NineVolt> and a lot of the perpetrators are aggitating for further handouts.
[07:16.09] <+NineVolt> -g
[07:16.27] <+Debaser> Absolutely
[07:17.34] <+Debaser> But if you need to expand a distribution station to support new homebuilding I suppose the steel issue could be related
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[21:53.08]  Topic: RIP Joe the Plumber
[21:53.09] Channel Topic Set by: OldMole on 8:48 PM 8/28/2023
[21:53.09] <Victora> since i got old i came to appreciate some older music
[21:53.09] Channel modes for #Gulag are :+tnRC
[21:53.09] Channel Created on: 7:57 PM 7/9/2020
[21:53.13] <@kritklsongs> my band used to get shut off by cops on a weekly basis
[21:53.15] <Victora> I used to traash it.
[21:53.17] <wptmj> hi everyone
[21:53.21] <wptmj> ╰⋃╯ ¯\ヽ(´ー｀)ノ/¯  ╰⋃╯
[21:53.30] <Victora> hi wptmj
[21:53.47] <@kritklsongs> ＋https://youtu.be/vj_rvLVpqg8，
[21:53.48] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'N' Roll)⁩ | 5m 2s | ⁨AC/DC ⁩ | 62,932,148 views
[21:53.57] <Victora> do you guys ever play hark the angels?
[21:54.08] <Victora> i had to play it last week for a paid gig.
[21:54.10] <wptmj> <l:ob
[21:54.43] <wptmj> (ര ‿ ര )
[21:54.49] <@kritklsongs> Hark, The Herald Angels Sing?
[21:55.10] <@kritklsongs> that's a Christmas song
[21:55.25] <wptmj> (˘3˘)
[21:56.01] <+smirks> kritklsongs, i used to watch The Tubes   pre-recording contract     practice on the lawn in Imperial Beach, CA.  at Vince's mom's house.  every saturday and sunday they weren't "on tour", doing the cali band circuit...
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[21:56.29] <+smirks> lead guitar players mom's house   she was so cool
[21:57.22] <gannon> Added *!*smirks
[21:57.29] <@kritklsongs> smirks no, you just found photos on the internet of this occurence, lol  ;)
[21:57.38] <wptmj> ▄█▀█ ●
[21:57.48] <gannon> Added *!*ictora.cl
[21:57.53] <gannon> tardtastic lineup
[21:57.55] <@kritklsongs> yup no
[21:58.32] <+smirks> when the record was recorded, he got fucked over by david foster  the producer   he brought steve lukather to play guitar
[21:58.54] <+smirks> kritklsongs  no  i have no pics
[21:59.12] <@kritklsongs> :)
[22:00.05] <@kritklsongs> ＋https://youtu.be/tz6u9suVNlY，
[22:00.05] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨Carry on Wayward Son⁩ | 5m 23s | ⁨Kansas ⁩ | 100,048,946 views
[22:00.45] <+smirks> david foster, a LEGEND, didn't need Lukather for that project.
[22:00.48] <@kritklsongs> david foster is a big deal
[22:01.20] <@kritklsongs> Chicago's comback
[22:01.29] <+smirks> kritklsongs, he's bigger than what yopu just posted
[22:01.31] <@kritklsongs> comeback
[22:01.48] <+smirks> he's everywhere
[22:02.10] <@kritklsongs> well, depends on your priorities
[22:02.30] <+smirks> kritklsongs   bill champlin?   personal friend of david foster snd steve lukather
[22:02.36] <@kritklsongs> it's art after all
[22:02.38] <P-1> There are now at least three individuals that have been indicted in Georgia that are starting to squeal, and they are all saying the same thing - Donald Trump was the mastermind behind the fake elector scheme.
[22:03.52] <+smirks> P-1  they did it because trump wanted them to do it...  oops....
[22:04.24] <@kritklsongs> so omg they're gonna make a new Frasier! I'm so happy!
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[22:04.54] <+smirks> under the bus...yes...thump...yes thump     under the bus..yes thump yes thump
[22:05.09] <+smirks> frasier blows
[22:05.14] <Larrry> i'm going to sleep now
[22:05.19] <+smirks> whinyass shit
[22:05.30] <Larrry> while i'm away kritklsongs will be in charge
[22:05.39] <@kritklsongs> John Mahoney passed  :(
[22:05.43] <+smirks> Larrry go fuck yourself
[22:05.55] <+smirks> dickhead
[22:06.24] <Larrry> if Debaser gives you any trouble don't listen to him. kritklsongs is the new cm effective immediately
[22:06.27] <@kritklsongs> i'M IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME!
[22:06.39] <@kritklsongs> lol
[22:06.42] <+smirks> who's John Mahoney??
[22:06.47] <Larrry> bye
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[22:06.55] <+smirks> Larrry go fuck yourself
[22:07.07] <@kritklsongs> smirks the actor who played Frasier's dad
[22:07.10] <Victora> what did larry do?
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[22:07.12] <+smirks> ih
[22:07.16] <+smirks> oh
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[22:08.21] <@kritklsongs> he was in lots of stuff
[22:08.46] <@kritklsongs> did a thing with Bruce Willis as his dad too
[22:08.54] <@kritklsongs> also as a cops
[22:09.01] <@kritklsongs> -s
[22:10.11] <@kritklsongs> I think he's known for Broadway stuff
[22:10.33] <Victora> I spent a week and half learning a song last year.  It was.is so beautiful.
[22:10.50] <@kritklsongs> he didn't just hobble in off the street
[22:11.20] <+BodegaCat> p-1 cite on the 3 squealing piggies?
[22:11.29] <Victora> on guitar, Chopin Etude Op.10 No.3 in E Major.  But you can play it in almost any key.
[22:11.38] <+smirks> if you can do Broadway, you're a legit actor
[22:11.49] <+smirks> straight up   done deal
[22:12.31] * kritklsongs puts on his cape: ＋https://youtu.be/W_TOsFvnmeQ，
[22:12.31] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨Juke Box Hero⁩ | 4m 20s | ⁨Foreigner ⁩ | 29,775,158 views
[22:12.45] <@kritklsongs> $@)!
[22:12.51] <@kritklsongs> 420!\
[22:13.25] * kritklsongs sips tea just to make sure
[22:14.14] <+smirks> yeah, i just took a hit
[22:15.06] <+smirks> this is good shit!  all sativa buds.   no indigo this time.
[22:15.22] <+smirks> ahhhh.  yes.
[22:15.24] <Victora> peeking at youtube, none of opus 10 3 are very good, just average
[22:15.48] <Victora> the players behave like its barely all they can do to play it slow
[22:18.31] <@kritklsongs> ＋https://youtu.be/4MlYgt-QdMI，
[22:18.32] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨Cygnus X-1 (Book One - The Voyage)⁩ | 10m 22s | ⁨Rush ⁩ | 610,915 views
[22:18.55] <+smirks> some people don't like what they're playing   but the're paid to play it   so they do
[22:19.03] <Wilderness> ＋https://twitter.com/CraryAP/status/1696139872342327754，
[22:19.04] <@Lard> [Twitter] David Crary (@CraryAP): Pope Francis says 'backward' Catholic conservatives in U.S. have replaced faith with ideology (from @AP) ＋https://apnews.com/article/bbfc346c117bd9ae68a1963478bea6b3， | 6022 RTs | 27394 ♥s | Posted: 2023-08-28 - 12:37:12UTC
[22:19.17] <+smirks> i love sidemen
[22:19.23] <@kritklsongs> smirks I love what I play
[22:19.30] <Victora> 1 6 2 5 1 does a nice job on guitar of etude 10 no 3, from what its worth  his only flaw is very minor timing thing >>> ＋https://youtu.be/DqZphrTN4Bo?si=uVdXiKsdjIpKu_2e，
[22:19.30] <@Lard> [YouTube] ⁨Chopin Étude No. 3 Op.10  (Guitar)⁩ | 2m 32s | ⁨onesixtwofiveone⁩ | 1,039 views
[22:19.56] <+smirks> kritklsongs   thats what counts
[22:20.13] <+smirks> feel it
[22:20.55] <Victora> but he does a very good job of it
[22:21.31] <Victora> i just love the melody of it.
[22:21.41] <Victora> chopin stuff is always surprising
[22:21.42] <@kritklsongs> smirks you know how karate is a part of everything in life? I can see farther than most ppl
[22:21.43] * Krishna (~IceChat77@14.2.204.90) has joined channel #Gulag
[22:22.22] <+smirks> kritk, we gotta talk
[22:22.29] <Victora> i do good seeing stop signs at 25 yards.
[22:22.34] <+smirks> hi harry
[22:22.41] <Krishna> good afternoon
[22:22.51] <Krishna> weird summer style day here
[22:23.07] <Krishna> 26c and strong northerly wind
[22:23.13] <+smirks> Victora, astigmatism?   you also?
[22:23.16] <@kritklsongs> smirks ok, I'm at your convenience
[22:23.28] <Krishna> in summer this would be an extreme fire day and 40c plus
[22:23.45] <+smirks> left eye  20/20  but slight astigmatism
[22:24.46] <@kritklsongs> just east of Lyra, lol
[22:25.03] <wptmj> 𓀐𓂸who knows who Nermal is?
[22:25.23] <@kritklsongs> love this wah pedal work